Aw. But I think you're onto something. This idea seems v cool: Maybe it's not love I want to write about, then. Really, I want to create a vision of change that isn't a defeat.
I guess the defeat--it depends on your pov. I mean, I see Harry's and, say, Ender's final adulthoods as wasted potential. But obviously their authors thought they'd made them amazing hero-types. I just disagree with the authors' world-view about what's awesome.
I wonder what we're really looking for in an epic love story. Or any love story. What makes it "epic?" Grand stakes like war and lives in the balance and superpowers and your people being mortal enemies? I do think there's something in 2 people coming together to build something together greater than they could alone. Synergy. Defeating something huge together, bridging some social gap the audience feels shouldn't exist.
I can say for me personally het romance novels are about the woman "winning" at life. Slash is... idk relationships with a certain social leveling, but also a built-in obstacle. Emotional porn in ringing certain societal role changes with character types.
But I can't think of any love story I would describe as epic, actually. Can you think of any? (Besides the fanfic ones you mentioned, which I liked, but weren't really epic for me. Emo teens and their hormones can turn my emotional crank, but no epic. I'm the heartless type that actually laughed and rolled my eyes at the final climax of His Dark Materials.)
Nothing that swelled my heart. Well, maybe Spock's death scene (idk if death scenes get to count, though, I cry like a baby at all death scenes). Or, actually, parental love or pet-love touch me deeply and can feel epic to me. Like, ok, don't laugh, but Lassie Come-Home is an epic love story imho.
hm. I was about to write that... is there anything epic about love? Like Harry defeating Voldemort is epic, Harry/Draco is interpersonal shenanigans. But making love less important than killing a dude seems v wrong. Hm hm. But maybe the thing is that defeating Voldy has huge consequences and affects many people. Epic. Lots of people are saved or stopped. Harry/Draco just transforms them. Which is great if they become better people, and you can write a great character transformation piece, but does that count as epic? idk idk /ramblings
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Date: 2011-11-08 10:03 am (UTC)I guess the defeat--it depends on your pov. I mean, I see Harry's and, say, Ender's final adulthoods as wasted potential. But obviously their authors thought they'd made them amazing hero-types. I just disagree with the authors' world-view about what's awesome.
I wonder what we're really looking for in an epic love story. Or any love story. What makes it "epic?" Grand stakes like war and lives in the balance and superpowers and your people being mortal enemies? I do think there's something in 2 people coming together to build something together greater than they could alone. Synergy. Defeating something huge together, bridging some social gap the audience feels shouldn't exist.
I can say for me personally het romance novels are about the woman "winning" at life. Slash is... idk relationships with a certain social leveling, but also a built-in obstacle. Emotional porn in ringing certain societal role changes with character types.
But I can't think of any love story I would describe as epic, actually. Can you think of any? (Besides the fanfic ones you mentioned, which I liked, but weren't really epic for me. Emo teens and their hormones can turn my emotional crank, but no epic. I'm the heartless type that actually laughed and rolled my eyes at the final climax of His Dark Materials.)
Nothing that swelled my heart. Well, maybe Spock's death scene (idk if death scenes get to count, though, I cry like a baby at all death scenes). Or, actually, parental love or pet-love touch me deeply and can feel epic to me. Like, ok, don't laugh, but Lassie Come-Home is an epic love story imho.
hm. I was about to write that... is there anything epic about love? Like Harry defeating Voldemort is epic, Harry/Draco is interpersonal shenanigans. But making love less important than killing a dude seems v wrong. Hm hm. But maybe the thing is that defeating Voldy has huge consequences and affects many people. Epic. Lots of people are saved or stopped. Harry/Draco just transforms them. Which is great if they become better people, and you can write a great character transformation piece, but does that count as epic? idk idk /ramblings